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Old 27th May 2010, 02:22 AM
Alf Christophersen
 
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Default NexusDB access from different Embarcadero All-Access products??

Following Embarcadero Datarage 2, I just wonder if there are plans for
making eg. ER/Studio, Change manager and DBArtisan directly support
NexusDB and not only via ODBC ??

I would think that would increase interest in the product.

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Old 27th May 2010, 02:41 AM
Thorsten Engler [NDA]
 
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Alf Christophersen wrote:

> Following Embarcadero Datarage 2, I just wonder if there are plans for making
> eg. ER/Studio, Change manager and DBArtisan directly support NexusDB and not
> only via ODBC ??
>
> I would think that would increase interest in the product.


Unfortunately, that's not up to us.
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Old 27th May 2010, 10:45 AM
Will Owyong [NDX]
 
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"Alf Christophersen" <alf.christophersen@medisin.uio.no> wrote in message
news:4bfd3ca4$1@DSVR011613....
> Following Embarcadero Datarage 2, I just wonder if there are plans for
> making eg. ER/Studio, Change manager and DBArtisan directly support
> NexusDB and not only via ODBC ??
>
> I would think that would increase interest in the product.


Direct support of NexusDB in those products is up to Embarcadero. The
software you described, from what I've seen, relies heavily on the SQL
engines of the big RDBMS companies, which also potentially means the
non-core functionality each possess. For Embarcadero to consider support for
NXDB there would need to be enough demand to warrant them to conduct a
feasibility study to determine things like market penetration, target
developer audience, and other buzz words <g>. It's the same for any big
business...let's not get into the Open Source vs Closed Source debate on
this point

On the plus side, Embarcadero are prepared to listen to the developers which
I found refreshing.

There are 3rd party apps out there that support NXDB. E.g. Database
Workbench. Check out the nexusdb.public.support.thirdparty newsgroup to see
some of the active companies.
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Old 27th May 2010, 01:28 PM
Shane Stump
 
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Will,

I would have to disagree with you!

The makers of C Builder and Delphi might give the appearance they care,
but they still haven't fixed linker bugs goes back 5+ versions!

I would be really surprised if Embarcadero woke up and realized what
NexusDB does for their market and they did anything to aid it (which is
a real shame).

Best Regards,

Shane
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Old 27th May 2010, 02:35 PM
Eivind Bakkestuen [NDD]
 
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> The makers of C Builder and Delphi might give the appearance they
> care, but they still haven't fixed linker bugs goes back 5+ versions!


Shane, can you point me to the linker bugs reported in Quality Central
that you are running into? The best way to have long-standing bugs
fixed is to get somebody with beta access to push for particular issues
to be fixed; as you probably know from your own experience, there's
rarely time to fix *every* issue (it is my experience too, both with
Delphi and our own products).

There are also unconfirmed rumours that the cpp compiler group of the
supposedly ongoing beta test is one of the busiest. At a guess, one
could suspect Embarcadero really wants to improve CB.


Personally, I'm hoping that one day Delphi and CB would be compatible
enough to be able to remove any CB IFDEFs from our code. That might
naturally never happen, who knows. For now, its likely that as new
versions of NexusDB and Rad Studio are released, we'll keep doing what
Developer Express does (and we started already with NexusDB3) and limit
CB support for older versions.


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Nexus Database Systems
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Old 27th May 2010, 02:56 PM
Shane Stump
 
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On 5/26/2010 10:35 PM, Eivind Bakkestuen [NDD] wrote:
>> The makers of C Builder and Delphi might give the appearance they
>> care, but they still haven't fixed linker bugs goes back 5+ versions!

>
> Shane, can you point me to the linker bugs reported in Quality Central
> that you are running into? The best way to have long-standing bugs
> fixed is to get somebody with beta access to push for particular issues
> to be fixed; as you probably know from your own experience, there's
> rarely time to fix *every* issue (it is my experience too, both with
> Delphi and our own products).
>


Elvind,

The statement above is from my own experience. If you do wade through
some google searches, you will see my name attached to various linker
woes going all the way back to C Builder 4 where the linker complains
about running out memory on large statically linked programs.

In the past I have always had to result to either BPLS or plug-in type
systems.

I am now working on a plug-in system for C Builder 2007 / 2010 to get
around the linker crapping out on me with an out of memory error.

I have reported the problem directly to Code Gear and they respond by
sending me a new linker that fixes my problem for a little bit... I
cannot figure out why these days with many of us developers having 16+gb
of memory running on 64 bit operating systems that linkers have very low
limits placed on them before running out of memory.

> There are also unconfirmed rumours that the cpp compiler group of the
> supposedly ongoing beta test is one of the busiest. At a guess, one
> could suspect Embarcadero really wants to improve CB.
>


I have heard this for years and I am guess I am glad I gave up years ago
trying to use all the latest / greatest BOOST libraries since C Builder
couldn't compile many of them without major reworks.

At the old age of 45, I just want C Builder to work with major libraries
like Nexus and for the linker to not run out of memory!

>
> Personally, I'm hoping that one day Delphi and CB would be compatible
> enough to be able to remove any CB IFDEFs from our code. That might
> naturally never happen, who knows. For now, its likely that as new
> versions of NexusDB and Rad Studio are released, we'll keep doing what
> Developer Express does (and we started already with NexusDB3) and limit
> CB support for older versions.
>


I have no problem with vendor's limiting support for older versions of C
Builder / Delphi!

Best Regards,

Shane
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Old 27th May 2010, 03:04 PM
Will Owyong [NDX]
 
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"Shane Stump" <Shane@StumpWare.com> wrote in message
news:4bfdd8c2$1@DSVR011613....
> Will,
>
> I would have to disagree with you!
>
> The makers of C Builder and Delphi might give the appearance they care,
> but they still haven't fixed linker bugs goes back 5+ versions!
>
> I would be really surprised if Embarcadero woke up and realized what
> NexusDB does for their market and they did anything to aid it (which is a
> real shame).
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Shane


News to me! Since I work in Delphi I was unaware of the issues in C/C++.
Thanks for the heads-up.
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Old 27th May 2010, 03:27 PM
Hannes Danzl[NDD]
 
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> There are also unconfirmed rumours that the cpp compiler group of the
> supposedly ongoing beta test is one of the busiest. At a guess, one
> could suspect Embarcadero really wants to improve CB.


Which would make a whole lot of sense for them i guess. In essence CB is the
only commercial product with a dedicated focus for native C++ for windows left
on the market.

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Old 27th May 2010, 03:37 PM
Shane Stump
 
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Default Re: NexusDB access from different Embarcadero All-Access products??

On 5/26/2010 11:04 PM, Will Owyong [NDX] wrote:
> "Shane Stump"<Shane@StumpWare.com> wrote in message
> news:4bfdd8c2$1@DSVR011613....
>> Will,
>>
>> I would have to disagree with you!
>>
>> The makers of C Builder and Delphi might give the appearance they care,
>> but they still haven't fixed linker bugs goes back 5+ versions!
>>
>> I would be really surprised if Embarcadero woke up and realized what
>> NexusDB does for their market and they did anything to aid it (which is a
>> real shame).
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Shane

>
> News to me! Since I work in Delphi I was unaware of the issues in C/C++.
> Thanks for the heads-up.


I use to have many friends who used Delphi and/or C Builder and most of
them have moved on to .NET or PHP.

C Builder / Delphi are still great tools because of vendors like NexusDB
/ DevExpress / TMS / and others. It would really be nice if Embarcadero
would do a better job of recognizing that (I am sure they would tell me
I am wrong, but...)!

I probably should take a more positive tact and tell Embarcadero to get
on the ball and add NexusDB support to their products <BG>!

Best Regards,

Shane
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Old 27th May 2010, 08:07 PM
Eivind Bakkestuen [NDD]
 
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> I am now working on a plug-in system for C Builder 2007 / 2010 to get
> around the linker crapping out on me with an out of memory error.


Just out of curiosity, have you got any idea how much memory the linker
uses in taskmanager before crapping out?

> cannot figure out why these days with many of us developers having
> 16+gb of memory running on 64 bit operating systems that linkers have
> very low limits placed on them before running out of memory.


Weeeell, it doesnt matter if your OS is 64-bit, when the compiler
wendor only has 32-bit compilers. Unfortunately. Chalk up another
case of improvements expected when they finally get a 64-bit compiler
out.

> At the old age of 45, I just want C Builder to work with major
> libraries like Nexus and for the linker to not run out of memory!


I couldnt agree more, although I won't be 45 until the end of the year.


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